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Old 05-17-2010, 11:48 AM   #1
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Default 455 build in PHR

Just finished reading this article, not sure what to think. The authors complained no aftermarket cranks available, big deal. Why would you spend the money for a 500hp engine? Aftermarket rods, why bother? 600 bucks for a Torker intake?! Ebay or swap meet for $100, $ 250 new, Easily $1500 wasted, makes the Olds engine more attractive compared to the 400 Chevy build up in the same issue!
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already been covered buddy

http://www.oldspower.com/vb/showthread.php?t=53093
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Old 05-17-2010, 01:05 PM   #3
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Still haven't seen the article, but Eagle makes a 455 Olds crank, which would have been OK for the level of power they were dealing with.
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Old 05-18-2010, 05:30 AM   #4
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I know Beeter, had to vent now that I have read the article. I don't understand the fantasy world that magazines live in. I think the majority of us have done quite well with the OEM crank and rods. I agree with your cost cutting thoughts. I really wish a magazine would do a really stout Olds buildup, show the rest of the world what our "Oldsmaturds" can do! I'm a little tired of seeing the same conservative builds.
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They need to get with Bill Trovato and really build something...
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Old 05-18-2010, 06:05 AM   #6
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With car magazines its all about money. They get free parts or at least a big discount on them. The thing is to build a powerfull engine. The price they had isn't far off. You can do a little trading and find some used parts, but that's only going to save a little. The more work you can do to the engine will save you money also.

To build a solid engine that holds up and makes numbers like that will cost some coin. I know I joked around on that other tread, which is ok, but when it comes to building a engine. I would rather do it right.

Your engine is only as good as the parts that go into it. So skill level is important also. Taking the time to check everything. I read too many times someone has problem because they slapped a engine togather.

First thing is to plan a build, then make a budget, and then set aside money for it. Used parts can only get you so far.

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With car magazines its all about money.
Actually, it's all about highlighting the advertisers' latest products (can you say "product placement"?). That's why you see lots of Chevy buildups and few Olds buildups.
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Actually, it's all about highlighting the advertisers' latest products (can you say "product placement"?). That's why you see lots of Chevy buildups and few Olds buildups.
I agree completely.
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Old 05-18-2010, 09:22 AM   #9
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Actually, it's all about highlighting the advertisers' latest products (can you say "product placement"?). That's why you see lots of Chevy buildups and few Olds buildups.
Very true. It's also why you don't see many builds with factory cast iron heads and Q-jets. The companies that buy full page ads aren't making money off those kinds of projects.

The TV shows like Overhaulin' and all the others are even worse than the magazines when it comes to advertising controlling the editorial decisions. I only watch one or two a year, they are so predictable. The last one I actually sat through they took an old Ford pickup that had an FE engine and replaced it with a common SBF crate motor.
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Old 05-18-2010, 09:43 AM   #10
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Just finished reading this article, not sure what to think. The authors complained no aftermarket cranks available, big deal. Why would you spend the money for a 500hp engine? Aftermarket rods, why bother? 600 bucks for a Torker intake?! Ebay or swap meet for $100, $ 250 new, Easily $1500 wasted, makes the Olds engine more attractive compared to the 400 Chevy build up in the same issue!
That's the problem when Mondello is a paying advertiser in your magazine. Why these magazines still go to that guy and claim him to be the greatest for Olds builds ever is beyond me.
I believe that's why the Torker intake cost so much. Wasn't one of Mondello's intakes with that stupid "butt plug" thing welded inside?
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Old 05-18-2010, 09:55 AM   #11
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Yep, the "posi flow"/Torker intake. I guess that was the hot set-up 20 yrs ago! If it really did any good, don't you think Edelbrock would have cast it into the manifold?
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And this is why I don’t read magazines 90% of them is CRAP just tiring to push the "next best thing" when time and time have proven the stock components make Grate power.
And I fined it funny when they use all this Fancy crap blowing money out there ass just to make average Power with an inflated budget. I am welling to bet if any one of you guys had that money they would have made a hell of a lot more power then they did.
So I fined if funny when I see people blowing $20,000 on a $5,000 dollar Job. “I have seen it done be for” must be nice

When they do them billed up it kind of makes me laugh because it sounds like they don’t know what they are doing.
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Old 05-18-2010, 10:16 AM   #13
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My 425 actually began with not trusting a 40+ year old crank. Anyone who thinks heat cycles don't affect an engine part is foolish. I spent a ton of money on this motor because I not only wanted it to go fast but also wanted reliability. You just can't do the used parts thing at this level. Where do you start? IMHO anything over 500 HP needs new parts.
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Yeah but nick your at that power lvl where you need that kind of stuff.
And yes 500HP is the mark for most cast cranks any thing over that is running with your fingers crossed.
but there are lots off ppl out there makeing 600HP with the stock crank in a BBO.



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Wasn't one of Mondello's intakes with that stupid "butt plug" thing welded inside?
whats that?
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whats that?

See the stupid cone shaped thing welded in the intake plenum?



It's pretty much been proven to do nothing but drain your wallets of money.
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See the stupid cone shaped thing welded in the intake plenum?



It's pretty much been proven to do nothing but drain your wallets of money.
I haven't seen that thing before either....what was it theoretically hypothetically supposed to do?
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looks like it splits the are to channel it outwards??
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at one point, I thought BTR was going to have something to do with this engine... apparently not... bummer.
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My 425 actually began with not trusting a 40+ year old crank. Anyone who thinks heat cycles don't affect an engine part is foolish. I spent a ton of money on this motor because I not only wanted it to go fast but also wanted reliability. You just can't do the used parts thing at this level. Where do you start? IMHO anything over 500 HP needs new parts.
Yeah, this basically explains the best snippet of engine-building wisdom I've ever heard: "Cheap, fast, reliable you can have any two of the three."

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Hee Hee I like that one Jim!!

Very well researched with those prices.
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After the 461 Olds churned out 514 hp and 540 lb-ft with the Holley carb, we decided to experiment by swapping it out for a 750-cfm Quadrajet. The prospect of making loads of power with a super-stealth production-style carb was very appealing. Although the air/fuel ratio was spot-on with the Q-jet in place, the motor lost 50 hp across the board, and peaked 500 rpm sooner. For obvious reasons, we bolted the Holley back on.
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I guess I figured out why my motor feels so weak.... should swap my q-jet for a holley 4150 and now i figure i'd gain that missing 50hp, no tuning required
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very interesting
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