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Old 10-07-2009, 07:23 AM   #1
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Default 1971 Cutlass 4-door

I don't really need another car, but I have found a 1971 4-door sedan Cutlass for sale locally and I am interested in it. It has a 350 V8, but not sure of the transmission. It is an automatic, with the shift pattern PRNDSL.

I have been to look at the car. Over all it looks good. It has been repainted, and there has been some body work done to it. The underside of the car looks solid, although a lot of it does have rust on it. The passenger compartment floors are still somewhat black though. The frame looks good.

The front fenders are good, and overall the body look good as well. There appears to have been a bit of work done on the top of the c-pillar on the passenger side.

There is bondo along the bottoms of some of the doors, and the bottom of the rear quarter panels. Not thick, like to replace metal, but it appears to be thinner to smooth things out.

I have not been able to look inside the trunk, and the gas tank blocks the view of the underside of the trunk floor.

The rear window seems to be leaking, and it is possible the windshield is as well, since there is a bit of rust visible when looking at where the dash meets the windshield. I have not looked under the chrome cowl trim yet, but hope to over the next couple of days.

So now the questions.

1) What would a decent price be for this car?
2) Other than what I have mentioned, is there anything else I should look out for?
3) How hard is it to find 4-door specific parts (doors, rear quarters, ...)?
4) What would a good source for parts for this car be?
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I don't really need another car, but I have found a 1971 4-door sedan Cutlass for sale locally and I am interested in it. It has a 350 V8, but not sure of the transmission. It is an automatic, with the shift pattern PRNDSL.

I have been to look at the car. Over all it looks good. It has been repainted, and there has been some body work done to it. The underside of the car looks solid, although a lot of it does have rust on it. The passenger compartment floors are still somewhat black though. The frame looks good.

The front fenders are good, and overall the body look good as well. There appears to have been a bit of work done on the top of the c-pillar on the passenger side.

There is bondo along the bottoms of some of the doors, and the bottom of the rear quarter panels. Not thick, like to replace metal, but it appears to be thinner to smooth things out.

I have not been able to look inside the trunk, and the gas tank blocks the view of the underside of the trunk floor.

The rear window seems to be leaking, and it is possible the windshield is as well, since there is a bit of rust visible when looking at where the dash meets the windshield. I have not looked under the chrome cowl trim yet, but hope to over the next couple of days.

So now the questions.

1) What would a decent price be for this car?
2) Other than what I have mentioned, is there anything else I should look out for?
3) How hard is it to find 4-door specific parts (doors, rear quarters, ...)?
4) What would a good source for parts for this car be?
1. It is impossible to give you a value on that car without seeing it and what is happening in your location. The good news is that 4-doors are worth less than 2 doors and right now classic car values have become flat. It's worth what you think it's worth and how good your haggling skills are. If I were going to buy one, I'd go $1500 max
2. Look around the edges of the trunk carefully and around the cowl since you said it was leaking in those areas. Put a magnet to the bondo areas to see how thick it really is.
3&4 4-door parts are starting to pop up in some places. fusicks, parts depot and ausley's are some good bets(ausley's is a chevelle place, but I suspect alot of 4-door parts are interchangeable, as always, do your research). Body parts could be located salvage in the southwest and california if you can't find them anywhere else. Parts WILL be harder to locate than for a coupe or convertible since 4-doors aren't restored that often
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Old 10-07-2009, 09:48 AM   #3
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Default Re: 1971 Cutlass 4-door

if you lived alot closer I would take it off your hand, it would make for a cool daily driver in my opinion
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Old 10-07-2009, 10:32 AM   #4
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Hard to guess on a value without pics, but I can tell you the stock tranny would have been a Turbo 350. You are looking at the right areas, pay close attention to the windshield and back window leaks. Parts are going to be junkyard scavenging for any 4-door specific sheet metal.
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Don't we have a new member here with a 4 dr. holiday either 70 or 71. He was looking for parts. Trunk leak damage is easier to repair than cowl damage so take that into consideration. Unless you like wet feet
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I wouldnt even entertain an offer until I could get inside the trunk and interior to assertain rust damage to the floors and trunk pan, and inspect the quality of the rust repair on the Quarters and doors. Most likely, the bottom of the fenders have been patched also. You could be looking at a Polished Turd
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Default Re: 1971 Cutlass 4-door

Ok, update on the condition of the car.

The passenger compartment floor is in good shape, looks and feels solid.

Trunk: Middle is in good shape. On the passenger side there is a patched hole. The only rust is the path the water leaking in from the rear window follows down towards the patched hole behind the wheel.

Cowl: The horizontal surface is rusting, some just a little line at the seam, some more severe. You can see it in the pictures.

And finally here are some pictures.

I have not had a chance to drive the car (school is getting in the way ) but my father did, and he says it starts, runs and drives good, although it is running a little rough, but it has not been driven for a while.

Is the cowl repairable, and how expensive of a job would it be to get fixed?
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i like that
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Is the cowl repairable, and how expensive of a job would it be to get fixed?
It might be. It's still hard to say from the pics. If you could find a good donor, you might be a few steps ahead if you replace that whole section. If I were you, I'd go around and start adding up everything that's wrong with it and see if it's worth it. If you're just gonna drive it, head down to Lowe's and start patching her up, it's still not going to be worth much if you'd ever decide to sell it.
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Is the cowl repairable, and how expensive of a job would it be to get fixed?
To pay someone to fix it?, not cheap. Windshield and dash need to come out. Proper repair would require a rust free donor part from another car. Also consider what the under dash and cowl will look like(hidden rust). You could do the repair yourself with fiberglass, after removing all the rusted metal, this would probably be the lowest cost method. Just realize, youre not repairing a collectable car, just an old driver, so dont throw a lot of money at it unless money is no object.
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I can still upload larger pics to the gallery, if that would help.
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Ok, links to larger versions of the 2 pics that show the worst rust on the cowl.

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That rust at the base of the cowl doesn't really look that bad in the pics. Is it surface or are there actual holes in the cowl at all? I'd wire wheel it, put some rust neutralizer on it, prime and paint flat black. Then just trickle some water from a hose on the top of the car to see if it runs out of the seam, or above it from the base of the windshield. Not a bad daily overall, no more than a 1,000.
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its not as bad as my bel air, my rust actually broke the windshield
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Don't we have a new member here with a 4 dr. holiday either 70 or 71. He was looking for parts. Trunk leak damage is easier to repair than cowl damage so take that into consideration. Unless you like wet feet
I feel a trunk leak can be just as bad as a cowl leak. My 66' had a significant leak under the rear window. I ended up having to replace the entire, trunk floor, wheel housings and trunk body braces.

Personally I feel the rust is repairable. I agree with 70w-32 that the cheapest way to fix it would be to cut it out and replace it with fiberglass, but I feel the best way would to be to just fabricate new metal rather than putting fiberglass in.

I say if those are all the problems then get it if they aren't asking too much
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What are they asking? Also, what can YOU do and/or afford?
I like it. And I have to disagree with the fact that you shouldn't throw $ at it just because it's a 4 door. NONE of our cars, with the exception of w30 cars and the like, will be worth what we put into them. I've told many, this hobby isn't for those who want to make their first million... Plan to lose $, but at least have some fun doing it. Yeah you may lose more with a 4 door than with a 2 door when it came time to sell it, but whatever, I'd personally never care one bit, probably because I'd never sell it.
I'm not sure, but isn't the cowl area the same on 2 and 4 door cars? If so that rust may be a whole lot eaiser than you'd expect. Also, if you are fixing it, there is ONLY ONE WAY TO DO IT!!! Cut out the rust and weld in metal. Any other way is either a hackjob or a stopgap until you can fix it right.
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Thanks for all the advice. I have decided I am going to pass on this car though. After all the issues I had getting the body work and paint done on the Delta 88, I am really not anxious to go through it again anytime soon, even if just the firewall needs work.

I think I will wait to find a deal an a good 2-door, since I already have a 4-door Delta 88. I am a patient person.

Maybe a notchback would be nice...
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I think I will wait to find a deal an a good 2-door, since I already have a 4-door Delta 88. I am a patient person.
Sounds like the best way to go. Personally I am not a fan of musclecar type bodies that are 4 door's, takes away from the cars looks big time IMHO. Plus 2 doors are generally more collectible, desirable and worth more.
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damn, if only i had the money i'd love a 4 door olds from that era.
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