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Old 05-10-2001, 08:59 PM   #1
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i have been thinking for a long time to put a 350 into my 87 cutlass, but i have a dilemma. i have access to a 350 olds motor but after talking to a couple of mechanics, they tell me that it would be very difficult, hence expensive to put it in. i have also found a racing shop that will build me a chevy 350 but it'll cost about 2000 dollars canadian for high 200's horsepower. what does everyone think. any comments would be helpful.
 
Old 05-10-2001, 09:06 PM   #2
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put in what you want screw every body else
i would go with olds
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Old 05-10-2001, 09:19 PM   #3
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IF YOUR OLDS HAS A 307 IN IT THE 350 WILL BOLT RIGHT IN.

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Old 05-10-2001, 09:26 PM   #4
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Anyone who tells you it's difficult to put an Olds 350 in a Cutlass is either clueless or lying through their teeth.
Whatever you do, don't spend $2000 on a chevy

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Old 05-10-2001, 09:38 PM   #5
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Well you could conceivably weld a hand crank to the end of the tranny input shaft and stick a monkey in there....
I was at Schuck's parts store earlier this week and they had a deal on 350's chevy olds whatever...Olds shortblock replacement for 72 cutlass (all I could think of asking for) by Recon> $895.95 plus $99.95 core 3year 30,000 mi warranty...long block (heads by who the hell knows....Moneydello joke there hehe) was $1295.95.......To me it sounds like you need to get that thing to a different shop...those are the type of guys who throw a chevy at everything , broken or not. Buy the short block, buy #5 heads at the junkyard.....learn as you go...it's not rocket science...Oh wait it is...hehe
 
Old 05-10-2001, 11:40 PM   #6
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Literally EVERYTHING you have on that 307 will bolt on to (physically YES, but will it make sense, who knows) a 350, YOU CAN EVEN KEEP THE COMPUTER! it will tak all of a day with the right tools to pull the 307, and install the 350.

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Old 05-11-2001, 11:33 AM   #7
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what i need to know is if there is any difference between a 355 olds and the 350 olds that everyone is talking about.
 
Old 05-11-2001, 12:06 PM   #8
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It's a 350 bored out .030. They work very good.
 
Old 05-11-2001, 02:21 PM   #9
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Ahhh... a fellow Canucker! I hope you didn't get flooded out this spring Hipsterman! Back to business... I just finished putting in a '69 350 Olds, last fall, into an '87 Cutlass and did it in a weekend. It's pretty easy if it had a 307 in it... everything bolts up the same. Now if it is a chevy motor, it's a bit of a job. You have to change frame motor mounts, transmission, sending units, hoses, and various accessories. It's definately worth it!!! Email me if you want more specific info. Good luck!


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Old 05-11-2001, 02:27 PM   #10
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$2000 Canadian is only $1290 real (US) dollars. Doesn't sound that bad. The real issue is what's in the car now. If it's got a Chebby bellhousing now, you'll have to add the cost of a new tranny. If the car has a lot of miles, maybe it's time to do both anyway. Also consider the new stronger mule twisting on that old trans.

I've always been a fan of the "pro stock" rule. Olds body, Olds engine. But I'll admit, these days just seeing a hot V8 in anything is nice.
 
Old 05-11-2001, 06:27 PM   #11
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unfortunately i do have a 305 4 barrel chevy motor in my car because it is canadian. but i onlt have about 120,000 kms on the engine and trans, which is 70000 miles. even though i still want a little more grunt in my car.
 
Old 05-11-2001, 10:28 PM   #12
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I'm the last one who should be saying this but really the 305 chevy can take some good upgrades...they did come in T/A'a and camaors and damn if one of those things don't throw rev's at me everyday.....In my experience the 305 chev can whip the olds 307's ass......hands down, eh? hehe get it canadians go eh? all the time hehe
 
Old 05-12-2001, 10:19 AM   #13
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Doug64cutty,

I agree. I've had a lot of cars. I love Olds but the 307 will almost always loose to the 305. Mabye if the 307 had a nice TPI setup like the 305 it may be closer but everyone knows that the 307 simply is'nt suited to "Performance applications".


Not to start a war or anything but dollar for dollar, a SBC will beat a SBO anyday. (big news huh??). Of course, I do feel the SBO motors do hold up much better and the blocks are superior to the small block Chevy. It takes a 4 bolt main SBC Block to endure the abuse that a SBO Engine will endure with no problem.

Don't get me wrong.... I love Olds and even use a punched out 455 in my 79 T/A but after having 3 455's (all in the 9's and 10's), none will hold a candle to my 454.

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Old 05-13-2001, 04:56 AM   #14
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How did the 307 get brought into the conversation? Why compare a 305 to a 307? I am hearing he has a 305 Chevy now and wants to know 350 Olds or 350 Chevy. Dollar for dollar a SBC will beat a SBO any day huh. My 79 Cutlass has a 355 Olds, stock heads and some other goodies a 238/248 cam too. I am only running up to 5500 RPMs with a cam that is supposed to pull to 6500. My buddy has an 83 Malibu with a 355 Chevy, ported heads, the same other goodies as me(headers, aluminum intake etc) and a 305/305 cam. We both have basically the same combo and are within a couple hundred bucks of each other. His combo is working together, mine is not(stock heads on a race motor don't work together). I run mid 13s, he runs high 13s- low 14s. I will take Olds.

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'96 Impala SS 350 LT1 14.71 @ 93 MPH
'00 Silverado 327 LS1 16.15 @ 87 MPH
'97 Corvette 350 LS1 13.54 @ 104
 
Old 05-13-2001, 10:32 AM   #15
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Again,.... Not to get everyone in a uproar but.... 79 CutlassSupreme What kind of Trans, Rear gears?? Are your cars exactly the same?. Just Curious.

I would'nt trade my Olds'(s) for anything, they simply are the best but I do not beleive (nor have I seen) that an Equally built 355 Chevy in an identical car is going to loose to the Olds.

1 example: We just spent 3 weeks putting together my buddy Bills 355 chevy. It may be a "little wilder" than the last Olds 350 I built but certanly cheaper (I don't think anyone is arguing that).

After 3 Runs on the Dyno it's average being 447HP and just over 545 ft.lbs torque. (Which I am dissapointed with..) At only 10.0:1 compression and with the Cast Iron Heads still on (Darts are on the way for the 2nd teardown midseason), we used the Crane .554/.572 296/304 cam (4500-7500). These heads are really killing us but we still expect 11.80's with this combo by itself and somewhere near the low to mid 10's with the Pro Shot Fogger. Were "Guess-timating" somewhere near the high 120mph to low 130mph mark.

Where SBO's are "Just Finishing up", this motor is just getting started. Making a brutal amount of it's power near 5300 rpm and finishing up near 7000, a SBO is simply out of it's league here. You simply can't do that for anywhere near the same money with the Olds.

Just my .02

By the way, If anyone is in the Atco Raceway (NJ) Area in the next few weeks, Come by and say hi. Look for the Tubbed 1973 z-28 (New Ford Taurus Metallic Burgandy color - w/ no sponsor/graphics so far).

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79 T/A 468 Olds W30 - 10.86 @ 127.2mph
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Old 05-13-2001, 12:43 PM   #16
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I hope Nick 350 racer dosen't hear you guys. I think there a picture of his car doing a nice wheel stand with the sbo350 somewhere. the topic got on 307 cause I didn't know that cars in canadia got the 305 instead of the 307. The 305 chev wasn't born in the era of smog motors like the 307. If I were hipsterman I'd stick with it and get a lot of car craft back issues, the freakin love the small chevy
 
Old 05-13-2001, 01:57 PM   #17
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The 305 was born in the smog era, they were introduced in '75 or '76

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Old 05-13-2001, 02:03 PM   #18
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Hey you can make some good HP with that 305 a new cam and heads and some headers on it will get ya a big increase. freind of mine had his blue printed and balanced put a CC cam in it some vortec heads and now he is cranking about 325 HP
thats a hell of a lot better than the 180 or so I was getting with the 305 that was in my 79 camaro
 
Old 05-13-2001, 04:57 PM   #19
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We both have TH350 trans, 3.73 gears, and same tire size. Olds doesn't need high RPM, they make low RPM torque. The Cutlass gets 1.84 60' with DRs. The Malibu gets 2.0 60' on slicks. His Malibu is also gutted- no AC, no heater box. My Cutlass on the other hand has AC and all other factory stuff still intact.

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'85 T-Type 231 Buick 12.58 @ 105 MPH
'86 GN 231 Buick 12.13 @ 109 MPH
'96 Impala SS 350 LT1 14.71 @ 93 MPH
'00 Silverado 327 LS1 16.15 @ 87 MPH
'97 Corvette 350 LS1 13.54 @ 104

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Old 05-13-2001, 05:49 PM   #20
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hey greasemonkey send me some more info on your friends 305. i just knocked a big chunk out of my exhaust so i was planning to put dual exhaust and headers on my car. those motor mods sound sweet and i could maybe look into it further.thanks
 
Old 05-22-2001, 04:32 PM   #21
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well i have a 78 403 in my small wagon its a 1980 cutlass cruiser with a 308 poise rearend and i can 13.25 is that good??? mine also gets hot i have a 3 core rad new pump and a one 180 do i need a 4 core rad for it?

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Old 05-22-2001, 07:29 PM   #22
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make sure the fan shroud is on there first. then make sure the heat range for the plugs isn't too high. then try a 160 thermostat. good luck!
 
Old 05-23-2001, 09:30 AM   #23
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Thanks for the kind words above Doug. I've been thru this discussion/argument before. If you want quality put in an Olds. If you want cheap and be like 5 kazillion other guys, put in a Chevy. Nuff said!
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Old 05-23-2001, 02:31 PM   #24
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403 Olds,

Find a seven blade fan, and a good shroud set-up is a must. I found a seven blade fan off a wagon years back and havn't had any problems.

I tried to run an electric fan also, no good. Stuck with the seven blade.
 
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