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455monster
07-24-2010, 10:51 AM
I'm trying to use a wilder cam like jm 25-28-10 or maybe wilder roller cam sum people say I need to use the torker because the performer will be outof the rpm range and sum say the torker sucks on the streets and under 3000rpm what do you guys think I should go with 10:1 comp aluminum edel heads cam @.50 is in the 233 236 range 512 533 lift range with 870 carb range which manifold should I use????

GoldOlds
07-24-2010, 12:17 PM
Tough call. I agree that the Torker sucks for street use. If it were me, I'd choose the performer. It would be nice if there were a Performer RPM for the bbo, but such is life.

- GoldOlds

84 H/O
07-24-2010, 12:24 PM
If this is a street car that will rarely see the track use the Performer. If you're going racing use the Torker or a Portosonic. What gears are you using?

Beeterolds
07-24-2010, 12:25 PM
Edelbrock makes a Performer Rpm Air-gap now to compete with the chinese professional products intake

its in the new 2010 Edelbrock catalog

Panos
07-24-2010, 12:48 PM
Use the performer,cut the divider a bit and ad a 1/2 open spacer.

BIGJERR
07-24-2010, 02:03 PM
1 vote for a Torker all the performer is a alumiunum replacment intake for stock,if your engine is stock or near stock use it.....If your going with a larger carb,cam,exhust etc.........time for a intake upgrade.

olds307 and 403
07-24-2010, 02:12 PM
The Performer RPM should be out soon. I heard it was delayed, check with Edelbrock. Should be the best of both worlds.

455monster
07-24-2010, 03:42 PM
Anybody got a date on the performer rpm release???? Also is a stuffer any help what does stuffer do???

70W-32
07-24-2010, 04:18 PM
Anybody got a date on the performer rpm release???? Also is a stuffer any help what does stuffer do???

Dude, you really need to stop looking at the Mondello catalog. The stuffer is BS, proven to not make any difference in performance.

Joe Mondello does not run Mondello Performance anymore, he lives in Tennessee. His son Bernard wont even deal with Mondello Performance.

For your application, the Torker will probably be the better choice(or other single plane intake), you may lose a little off idle torque, but with the big cam, your midrange and topend will be far superior with the Torker.

GoldOlds
07-24-2010, 04:24 PM
What experience are you basing that statement on? Sucks for street use??? A 455 makes a lot of torque, that intake certainly won't kill it. Also, the BBO Performer IS like the RPM in that it is taller with more volume where the SBO Performer is very stock-ish.

Every source I've noted seems to state that single plane intakes aren't nearly as street-friendly as dual planes. Honestly, I've never heard that the bbo Performer is similar to an RPM. That being the case, I'd be even MORE inclined to pick a Performer over a Torker, although 455monster's particular set-up seems like he'd be justified with either choice.
Speaking of the bbo RPM, does anyone know why the Edelbrock website doesn't mention it? Seems odd not to use your website to promote a new product.

- GoldOlds

matt69cutlass
07-24-2010, 06:22 PM
I have run both intakes on my car, the Performer got the car deep into the 12s (occasionally it would dip into the 11s). Its a tough call, if it was a more street than strip use the Performer. I agree, its time to put down the Mondello catalog. If the "stuffer" (or Christmas tree, or cone or whatever you want to call it) was worth some power, you can be sure it would have been cast into the manifold! IMO, same thing with cutting down the divider.

70W-32
07-24-2010, 08:36 PM
I hear people complain about the Torkers dog leg port, but no one has shown that it really causes a problem.

If the poster could raise his target compression to 11-11.5, and make sure he's running a 1 7/8 or 2" header, he could run the Victor.

I'd consider more gear if the car doesnt see any expressway driving.

GoldOlds
07-24-2010, 09:03 PM
Can you list those sources? It sounds like you are giving advice based on second hand information that you have read on the internet. Have you ever built a 455? Ever owned one? Ever run a 10 to 1 455? If not, IMO it is irresponsible to state "the Torker sucks for street use" having no practical experience.

http://72.22.90.30/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=49085

A half point less compression, big cam, 510 ft/lbs at 3,000 rpm. Yeah, the Torker is killing it.........

To be honest, I've never owned/built a bbo 455. Even still, I can't see how a manifold with an RPM range that STARTS at 3500 can be a good street intake. I've heard similar sentiments from people whom I've trusted to help me out with 30-year-old (and older) engines and who've never done me wrong. If there are circumstances/set-ups where the Torker would be a good street intake, I'm more than willing to learn/hear about them; I'd actually consider it a favour to be proven wrong. I've looked at 455 Olds 'for sale' ads where I've seen a Torker and thought "nope, not this one; Torker = not street friendly." If this is a mindset that has led me to lose out on an opportunity to land a streetable 455, I would definitely like to know!

- GoldOlds

*note; I apologize if this post doesn't make any sense - I've tossed back a few beers faster than usual tonight. :)

84 H/O
07-24-2010, 09:25 PM
It's my understanding the Torker is rated from 2500-6500 not 3500-up. I believe the Offy Supersonic is rated from 3500-up.

71CutlassConvertible
07-24-2010, 09:32 PM
It would be nice if there were a Performer RPM for the bbo
The Performer 455 is the big block equivalent of the small block Performer RPM.

the performer is a alumiunum replacment intake for stockJerr, you realize he's asking about the Performer 455, right? It is definitely NOT the same as a stock iron intake manifold.

GoldOlds
07-24-2010, 10:57 PM
It's my understanding the Torker is rated from 2500-6500 not 3500-up. I believe the Offy Supersonic is rated from 3500-up.

Okay, now I'm confused. Here are two pages on the Edelbrock site;

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/mc/manifolds/oldsmobile/oldsmobile.shtml

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/mc/manifolds/oldsmobile/torker.shtml

The first says the Torker's RPM range is 3500-7500. The second page says 2500-6500. What gives? :confused:

- GoldOlds

mechacode
07-25-2010, 12:08 AM
Go with the torker and you'll be happy.

olds307 and 403
07-25-2010, 12:25 AM
Probably the point that those runners come into play, a Victor might come into play RPM wise. I too have heard due to the Olds 455 torque, with a single plain torque is still acceptable. Does a single plain kill low rpm torque, yes. It has been proven on certain makes, time and time again. The SBD RPM air gap made nearly as much power up top as a Torker while making much more low end torque.

84 H/O
07-25-2010, 06:37 AM
Okay, now I'm confused. Here are two pages on the Edelbrock site;

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/mc/manifolds/oldsmobile/oldsmobile.shtml

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/mc/manifolds/oldsmobile/torker.shtml

The first says the Torker's RPM range is 3500-7500. The second page says 2500-6500. What gives? :confused:

- GoldOlds

The first one is a misprint. The Torker was always rated 2500-6500 and I don't believe the design has changed in the last 35 years.

And for the 2nd time- WHAT GEARS DO YOU HAVE? If over 3.55 go Torker if under 3.55 go Performer

BIGJERR
07-25-2010, 08:02 AM
Real world..........same engines one with a torker, one with a performer the torker eqp engine will dyno,Race or street drive faster than the performer...........I have used both,either will work great on a BBO in a non race engine( I consider the performer a replacment aluminum intake IMO ,Meaning its cast the same as the stocker,Dual plane,Smog holes etc).........Jerr

svnt442
07-25-2010, 08:46 AM
I had a 455 with stock J heads, TRW 2323L 030 pistons, Edelbrock 750, Erson JB100 cam (.501/.501 228/232 @.050) in a car with a TH400 and B&M holeshot and 2.56 posi and ran a Torker on the street for over a year (in the winter in Chicago as well I might add) and I never noticed any drive-ability issues or lack of low end grunt. I couldn't keep tires on the thing. I was lucky enough to be working at Super Shops at the time so I had access to all of the free take offs I needed. :D

455monster
07-25-2010, 08:07 PM
i have 3.55 gears in the rear and i really appreciate all the info but still not sure im thinking of waiting it out till the performer rpm comes out but what do you guys think????

2quik2see
07-25-2010, 09:39 PM
A buddies of mine has a healthy 455 and has been going back and forth with the performer and torker. He says the low end throttle responce and power is better with the performer but the torker has better top end pull.

Its all about the whole combo and intended use. As for myself my 455 combo is built mainly for street driving so I use a dual plane. It spends most of the time at 1500 to 2500rpm. Since I have an od tranny with low stall lockup converter I want as much power I can get at those rpms. For example a combo with a 3500 stall and 3.73 gears would have better use for a single plane.

84 H/O
07-26-2010, 06:31 AM
A buddies of mine has a healthy 455 and has been going back and forth with the performer and torker. He says the low end throttle responce and power is better with the performer but the torker has better top end pull.

Its all about the whole combo and intended use. As for myself my 455 combo is built mainly for street driving so I use a dual plane. It spends most of the time at 1500 to 2500rpm. Since I have an od tranny with low stall lockup converter I want as much power I can get at those rpms. For example a combo with a 3500 stall and 3.73 gears would have better use for a single plane.

Exactly! With your set up you'll probably be better served with the Performer in my opinion.

NONHOG
07-27-2010, 08:56 AM
Not trying to muddy the waters but what about the old Holley Street Dominator ?
Would that be a good in between set up or ?
just curious