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Mikel
04-06-2002, 09:09 PM
Hello,
What's the difference between a 1970 Cutlass "S" and a Holiday Coupe?
Thanks...
Mikel

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1970 Olds Cutlass Holiday Coupe.

Tim H
04-06-2002, 10:14 PM
I always thought a Holiday coupe had buckets and console?

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1972 P.O.S cutlass S,but non air and manual brakes,thats why i like it.
1993 cutlass Supreme.

442E-Dan
04-07-2002, 09:41 AM
The Holiday Coupe had some upgraded interior options as far as I can tell. But, my book says the Holiday Coupe is still classified as an "S" coupe. Ahhh, the good ol' days....

85_SS
04-07-2002, 10:49 AM
Yes, a Cutlass 'S' could also be a Holiday coupe. There is one on a large collage poster in our basement (right in front of my face as I type actually http://www.oldspower.com/ubb/smile.gif )- it's Rallye 350 whos title reads:
1970 Cutlass S Rallye 350 Holiday Coupe

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1985 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS (http://pic4.picturetrail.com:80/VOL58/440351/511194/5503659.jpg)
- Goodwrench 350 / 200-4R
1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Brougham (http://pic4.picturetrail.com:80/VOL58/440351/512130/5515540.jpg)
- 305(CDN) / 200-4R
- Stainles Steel dual muffler exhaust system
1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass Rallye 350 (http://pic4.picturetrail.com:80/VOL58/440351/512130/5551566.jpg) (Dad's Car - awaiting restoration)
- One of 160 Sport Coupe models made
- Bench seat / 4-speed standard
Kevin's 1985 SS Homepage (http://www.picturetrail.com/85_SS)

Mikel
04-07-2002, 11:56 AM
I always thought my 70 Cutlass was an "S" because of the body style, but I recently got a 1970 shop manual and according to the VIN (type 87?) is a Holiday Coupe, but does not say what makes an "S" or a HC. Is the HC a higher level option? Thank you all.

visibleorange
04-08-2002, 08:54 AM
I thought the "s" stood for sport! No wait just kidding THe "S" is an old fashioned Olds thing (I mean really old) It '68 it got you a little different badging and extra shiny parts (trim line and wheel well trim???) So "S" stands for fancy with base guts. I hope...

scottb
04-08-2002, 09:37 AM
I think this is right, but I wouldn't bet my life savings on it...

The "S" is a trim level. And it stands for... nothing, officially, it's just an "S." The HC designation is for the pillarless hardtops. The post style cars in the F-85 and Cutlass lines would have been called club coupes. And of course the Supreme models beginning in 1970 had the squared off roofline, something completely different.

Now, to make it more confusing, the 68-up post cars were also called sport coupes, but only if they were 442's. I don't know why, some marketing gurus must have thought it sounded better... sportier.

And for 1970 at least, all the "S" cars were Holiday coupes (except the corvertibles, of course), while the post A-body cars were either f-85's or base model Cutlasses. But in 1972, I know you could get an "S" with the post. Or, you could even get a post "S" 442, since it was an option package instead of its own model that year.

Wow, now I'm confused, too... additions, corrections, and clarifications welcome!

edzolz
04-08-2002, 10:13 AM
I'll add my .02 here. Every since Olds made the pillarless cars they were called Holiday Coupes. The first was in 1950 and some called them hardtop convertibles. I guess because of the open space of the side windows. In 1955 Olds made the four door hardtops and called it the Holiday Sedan. These continued for a number of years. I have never figured the "S" designations. I had a 67 442 Cutlass Supreme with S emblems. It was called a Holiday Coupe on the title. I don't remember if 67 was the first year for the "S" emblem. I have never seen a 66 with this emblem. At one time I owned a 65 442 two door post and the title had Sport Coupe on it, so 68 wasn't the first year for this. In 70, when olds brought out the Supreme (called a notchback by some) and the Cutlass S fastback, there was additional confusion as to the top of the line version. I still don't understand all of these versions because I have seen the S emblem on both body styles.

85_SS
04-08-2002, 10:20 AM
My Dad's car is a 4-speed 1970 Cutlass S Rallye 350 Sport Coupe (post car), with bench seat interior which contradicts some of the above info. The Olds' naming conventions have always been a bit of a blur to me. This is my limited understanding of the 70's Cutlass:

F-85: base model, no extra chrome
S: extra chrome
Supreme: sqaure fenders
Sport Coupe: post car

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1985 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS (http://pic4.picturetrail.com:80/VOL58/440351/511194/5503659.jpg)
- Goodwrench 350 / 200-4R
1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Brougham (http://pic4.picturetrail.com:80/VOL58/440351/512130/5515540.jpg)
- 305(CDN) / 200-4R
- Stainles Steel dual muffler exhaust system
1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Rallye 350 (http://pic4.picturetrail.com:80/VOL58/440351/512130/5551566.jpg) (Dad's Car - awaiting restoration)
- One of 160 Sport Coupe models made
- Bench seat / 4-speed standard
Kevin's 1985 SS Homepage (http://www.picturetrail.com/85_SS)

[This message has been edited by 85_SS (edited 04-08-2002).]

Mikel
04-08-2002, 11:03 AM
Now I'm confused http://www.oldspower.com/ubb/smile.gif
Can a cutlass be a Holiday Coupe and "S" at the same time?
Thanks.
Mikel

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1970 Olds Cutlass Holiday Coupe.

442E-Dan
04-08-2002, 01:13 PM
Yes a Cutlass "S" and holiday coupe were usually optioned on the same car. Holiday Coupe was a trim level available on any 2 door Cutlass. There is a pretty good book called "Cutlass, A Book of Information" which goes into pretty good detail about all these options.

scottb
04-08-2002, 01:25 PM
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mikel:
Can a cutlass be a Holiday Coupe and "S" at the same time?</font>

Yes, Holiday Coupe being a fancy way of noting the 2-door, no-post body shell; and "S" being the series (level of trim doodads). Think of the "S" as being used the way DX/LX/EX designations are used today.

Going back and looking it up after my earlier post, I see and "club coupe" and "sport coupe" both used to describe the 2-door post cars, depending on the exact model and year (found some discrepencies between sources). But "holiday coupe" seems to be consistant in referring to the non-post 2-doors. 4 doors are mostly listed as sedans. This is all Oldsmobile's own internal terminology, it doesn't necessarily agree with the standards of the collector car hobby uses as a whole.

The first 6 digits of your VIN should be 336870, assuming your car is a V8. The first 3 would be for Olds division, 36 for Cutlass V8 (from 1967-71 only), 87 for the Holiday Coupe, and 0 for 1970. The VIN does not reflect a difference between the base Cutlass and the Cutlass S.